Are You Safe in an Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting?

Exposing the dangers of AA.

How many steps are there? Twelve, right? Wrong. There are Thirteen. "Thirteenth-stepping" is a euphemistic term used among members of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) to refer to people (particularly men) who target new, more vulnerable members (typically women) for dates or sex. Previous research suggests that women frequently experience sexual harassment in 12 step meetings. Just the fact the term "thirteenth-stepping" exists serves as a warning. Since thousands of convicted felons are mandated to AA  by the US courts, this warning must be heeded.

The following is a partial list of requirements for sex offenders in the court system:

1. Attend all ordered treatment sessions. This includes individual and group counseling, educational sessions, and other treatment as directed. Unexcused missed treatment sessions will result in a sanction.

2. Do not make threats towards other participants or staff or behave in a violent manner. Violent or inappropriate behavior will not be tolerated and will be reported to the Court. This behavior may result in a sanction or termination from the Mental Health Court program.

3. Attend all scheduled Mental Health Court sessions. You must attend all court sessions as scheduled by the Mental Health Court probation officer.

4. As a participant, you will be expected to dress appropriately for court. Clothing bearing violence, sexual, drug, or alcohol related themes is inappropriate. Sleeveless shirts and body piercing other than earrings will not be allowed in court. Sunglasses are not to be worn in court unless medically approved.

5. You are required to attend AA or NA meetings on the weekends, Saturday and Sunday, and must have a card signed at these meetings for attendance by the designated person at the meeting. You must stay for the entire meeting.

Since there is no accountability in a 12 step meeting as participants are required to remain anonymous, the answer to the question is unequivocally...NO. Not only are you not safe in a 12 step meeting but neither is your wife, husband, daughter, son, sister, brother, friend, co-worker nor anyone else. You could very well be sitting next to someone who has been convicted of rape and is mandated to your 12 step meeting as part of their parole. You could very likely be holding hands with someone who has violently raped a child while reciting the Lord's Prayer....the central prayer of Christianity. The Twelve Steps are based on Christianity, and as an anonymous religion, one would think that the steppers would want to protect their flock. Unfortunately, since anyone can and is mandated to attend 12 step meetings, you are never safe in your meeting. In fact, a 12 step meeting is a dream come true for a sex offender...It's like a gift from the court for these extremely mentally ill individuals to stalk people in a meeting where no one knows their criminal past. You are sharing deeply personal information in your meeting and sexual predators will play on your weaknesses in order to inspire trust. They will then steal money from you, lie and manipulate you to do their bidding, rape you, your daughter, your son, and take anything they can take from you before moving on to their next victim.

Skeptical?  Here are two recent examples:

In 2011, Charles Doucette was on parole from seven life sentences, imposed in 1991 for the killing of Raymond Bufalino of Salem, MA and two home invasions while he was awaiting trial in the murder. He was released in 2007 and was mandated to attend Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. In fact, he met his girlfriend in an AA meeting, Melissa Markus, who accused him of dragging her alongside his truck and threatening to put a bullet in her head during an argument outside Doucette's home on the afternoon of Feb. 14, 2011. The prosecution argued that, given his criminal history and two past instances when Doucette allegedly struck her during their two-year relationship, Markus had reason to fear for her safety. Upset that the girlfriend he met in Alcoholics Anonymous was drinking again, Doucette took back the key she had to his home and moved out her belongings, Markus testified. While they argued outside his house, she claimed he threatened her and then, while she was standing beside the driver's side window of his truck, he "dragged" her alongside as he drove away.  Happy Valentines Day.

Defense attorney Eitan Goldberg, who joined Scott Dullea in representing Doucette, asked for Doucette to be released from custody while his case was being considered by the Parole Board...and as part of his parole, attend AA meetings. Doucette's lawyers produced enough reasonable doubt to get him acquitted from this assault and he was set free. Again.

In March 2012, Roy Floyd Johnson Jr. of Dalton, GA was accused of sexually molesting an underage girl during a Narcotics Anonymous (NA) meeting.  Johnson faces charges of child molestation and sexual battery of a child. He was arrested in January for molesting a girl who was attending a Narcotics Anonymous meeting with her parents. The girl was in a separate area when she said the incident occurred. Her mother said that she did not think anything about it because she told police that the coffee is back there and homeless people come in all the time to go to the bathroom and get coffee. The mother is also reported to have said that she has never seen the man before at any of the meetings but does remember what he looks like. Johnson has previously been charged with battery and assault many times.  This case is presently pending.

Even more disturbing, teens are routinely mandated to 12 step meetings for alcohol and drug related issues and are in dire danger of meeting folks like Doucette and Johnson. In case you are thinking that these incidents are isolated, any research will prove you wrong. These crimes in 12 step meetings are being swept under the rug by the judicial system and AA and NA. Our children depend on us to protect them and we are failing them miserably when it comes to continuing to mandate minors to AA and allowing felons and minors to mix at meetings. In fact, AA actively sends members to recruit and transport criminals to and from meetings. After all, AA like any other cult, needs to keep the flock growing and thriving in order to continue to control members with negative affirmations of disease and powerlessness and character defects and personality shortcomings, ad nauseum.

The long standing propaganda of AA may make this difficult to understand. The truth about AA is very different than the reputation they have worked so hard to keep in tact. Most people achieve sobriety on their own and only those who are Christian, or very damaged by their family of origin, stay in AA for very long.   Please see http://www.orange-papers.org/ for more information.

I look forward to any comments and will respond with dignity and respect.

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Laura Tompkins March 21, 2013 at 07:13 PM
Oh gee...we've never heard that Peele quote taken completely of context of the initial conversation. Never. Desperation comes with blind faith. I couldn't possibly care less whether 12 step groups survive or not. Relax, you're life is not threatened with the truth about the 12 step cult. I care that the truth be told. Your fear is your indoctrination talking. Find a new happiness where obstacles no longer baffle you.
mlnultra March 21, 2013 at 08:11 PM
What's funny is how you flippantly ignore the quote which YOU YOURSELF offered as a resource for whatever it is you're trying to say immediately after I used your source to show you that YOUR SOURCE HAS CONCEDED TO WHAT YOU'RE ARGUING AGAINST. Out of context is a good assessment of what just happened there...
mlnultra March 21, 2013 at 08:42 PM
That's a great link, one I've bookmarked and will look into. That such a thing can make its way into AA/NA/CA/etc... is questionable. I understand you think we are governed, but let me assure you, I know it's not reassuring, we aren't.
Anti Denial March 21, 2013 at 09:08 PM
Min- It is a good link. At this point AA and NA just need to do the right thing, and protect minors that they serve. Al-anon can do it for Alateen-which is set up the same way as AA. If AA wanted to put in safety measures-they would find a way. For me personally- this is my biggest problem with AA. 2nd- AA/NA working with courts to mandate criminals to 12 step meetings. So- 1.) Protect the minors 2.) Do not force 12 step meetings on anyone or aid in it's practice. These are things within AA's reach that they could do something about and should do something about.
Laura Tompkins March 21, 2013 at 09:09 PM
You can check in, but you can NEVER check out. Hotel Mindcontrolia. http://cougarblogger.com/2013/02/27/alcoholics-anonymous-a-dangerous-cult-a-radio-interview-with-laura-tompkins-and-monica-richardson/
Arthur Christopher Schaper April 09, 2013 at 08:27 PM
The truth sets you free, and when you identify with the truth, you find out who you really are! In Christ, you can check out of any perverse doctrine or cult. Give people a puppy -- they will let go of the "Evil" Teddy Bear. The issus goes deeper than the human mind, to the human spirit, to the defining element which distinguishes us from the animals, and even from one another. Our identity, our spirit, is deeper than our minds, than our thinking. When we define ourselves by something far greater, nay the greatest, then we break free of any lie, or any unsound idea, of any distortion: "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free!" (John 8: 32) "Herein is loved perfected, that we may have boldness in the Day of Judgment, because as He is, so are we in this world!" (1 John 4: 17)
Arthur Christopher Schaper April 09, 2013 at 08:32 PM
God's grace through Christ is so great, that he can take our "wasted time" and redeem it. No matter what happened to me, no matter what lies and distortions I sat through, all things do work together for good to those who love God [viz.we love because He first loved us! (1 John 4: 19)], who are called according to His purpose. (Romans 8: 28)
Arthur Christopher Schaper April 17, 2013 at 10:13 PM
"I would add this: Admit that the 12 steps will keep you stuck in a negative state of mind, being and soul for the rest of your life. You must think of yourself as Soul-Sick, Insane, You Have A Thinking Problem, Powerless, Unable To Manage Your Own Life, Your Character Is Defective, You Are Full Of Personality Shortcomings, You're A Grateful Alcoholic ... I could go on Forever. Admit THAT to newcomers." Thanks for sharing this point, Laura! The negative affirmations (wow, Orwellian double-speak, but so true) are damaging with a capital D. Right and righteous believing leads to right and righteous living, people. AA is lies, lies, lies. "AA is a dangerous religious cult even more damaging to the human psyche than a cult like Scientology. At least Scientology admits it is a religious cult. " L. R. Hubbard made more money, too., and he gave everyone a higher power to believe in -- Anyone want to jump into the space ship?
Laura Tompkins April 18, 2013 at 05:40 AM
Thanks Artie! The steps in and of themselves are dangerous mental mantras that if said and chanted enough, actually infect one's brain like a flesh eating disease. That is the one and only way alcoholism becomes a disease - AA makes it a mental disease (if one stays in 'the rooms' long enough) when it is a behavioral issue (that can be overcome), NOT A DISEASE. Say it enough, it becomes reality. No thanks. I would rather raise a child with Tom Cruise. ; )
Arthur Christopher Schaper April 18, 2013 at 05:58 PM
"Thanks Artie! The steps in and of themselves are dangerous mental mantras that if said and chanted enough, actually infect one's brain like a flesh eating disease." The truth makes us free! Absolutely. Now is the time to take AA to court, and get them out of our court systems altogether. Someone should research the causes that allowed AA into our penal system in the first place. "That is the one and only way alcoholism becomes a disease - AA makes it a mental disease (if one stays in 'the rooms' long enough) when it is a behavioral issue (that can be overcome), NOT A DISEASE." "Say it enough, it becomes reality. No thanks. I would rather raise a child with Tom Cruise." For lies repeated that become "truth", let us look no further than: "Repeat a lie often enough, and people will believeit." --Joseph Goebbels. He would have LOVED the Twelve Steps, I am certain! Which would be another good reason for everyone else to HATE AA and LOVE something way better!
Laura Tompkins April 18, 2013 at 06:58 PM
Artie - Someone HAS done the research. AA itself recruits members through lawyers, judges and parole officers, most of which are members of the cult. http://www.aa.org/en_pdfs/mg-05_coopwithcourt.pdf
Arthur Christopher Schaper April 18, 2013 at 06:59 PM
Everyone: Please visit errorsofaa.blogspot.com Enough with the cult. Christ and Him Crucified answers every need!
Arthur Christopher Schaper April 19, 2013 at 10:15 PM
I submit that you can indeed check out. The truth sets you free. I have met a number of people who ran from AA, not walked, and never looked back with shame, blame, or regret. Yes indeed, the truth sets you free. What I have also learned is that I do not have to say "AA is a cult". I just offer them to see my website, and let them come to their own conclusions. errorsofaa.blogspot.com Mind control does not mean no more freedom.
Laura Tompkins April 19, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Artie - according to them, one can never check out. Of course, healthy people check out to never return every day. I don't say AA is a cult. I say that AA is a dangerous cult, because that is exactly what it is.
Arthur Christopher Schaper April 20, 2013 at 10:45 PM
"Of course, healthy people check out to never return every day." That's what it's all about!
Arthur Christopher Schaper April 28, 2013 at 10:12 PM
I want to celebrate and encourage all visitors who have also visited "Errors of Alcoholics Anonymous" errorsofaa.blogspot.com Error binds us -- but the Truth indeed sets us free! Keeping coming to the Truth -- that works, indeed!
MelMoore September 25, 2013 at 05:52 AM
hey why don't you people just not go to meetings and leave it at that? aa is like real life, a lot of creeps and a some normal people. despite the fact that there are a lot of crazy people in aa, it works for many, it has worked for me, and i take depression medications. If someone told me to not take my medication, i'd tell them to f off, kindly. We have free will in this society and we have free will in aa. AA has taught me to be independent, I have meet a lot of good people, and more importantly has given me a way to live sober. I don't believe in a christian god but i believe in the people rising above tough situations and becoming better people based on their actions in life. I try to be a better person. It has taught me to use my intuition to tell me whether or not a meeting or a person is safe. And when it is not, believe me I'm the first to leave a meeting to find a different one. Plenty of creepy people plenty of creepy meetings. Look if you want to go to a cult, you can surely find a bunch of creepy aa meetings with cult like tendencies, but there are also decent meetings. Have you actually done the research on Scientology? You guys should try scientology, i'm sure you'd love it! :-) idiots!
Laura Tompkins September 25, 2013 at 09:20 AM
Hey, why don't you parrot the dogma of the 'program' and give the readers more proof of your indoctrination. Also, why don't you read previous comments and see that you are repeating the same tired excuses - nine of which excuses any of the horrors of your beloved cult religion. Hey, why don't you adhere to your traditions and stay out of 'outside issues.' You can't, that's why. As the saying goes, "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH." Here's a story you'll love: http://cougarblogger.com/2013/03/14/the-home-of-alcoholics-anonymous-how-it-works/ Also, this is a must read book: http://cougarblogger.com/2013/08/04/aa-how-aa-steals-your-soul-by-robert-warner-a-book-review/ In closing, don't compare your cult religion to Scientology - Scientology is far more honest than the cult religion known as the 12 steps! Your comparison is not fair to the hard working disciples of either 'program!'
John White November 17, 2013 at 11:15 PM
So much hatred. And absolutely zero tolerance of any words even remotely in favor of what AA strives for, let alone what it has accomplished. I feel sorry for you.
Laura Tompkins November 18, 2013 at 12:20 AM
So much ignorance. And absolutely zero ability to see past the dangerous lies and despicable mental damage of your beloved cult religion ... that keeps you stuck in a pseudo 'family' forever. Everyone has nothing but pity for the likes of you.
Arthur Christopher Schaper November 18, 2013 at 05:02 PM
AA is a $^%^#@%#Y#%%^B cult! Can't say it enough. To identify with a perversion -- what kind of therapy is that? To claim that there is a loving God, yet at the same time that our feelings block us from this loving God --- That is one of the most evil aspects of AA. Please visit and share errorsofaablogspot.com You Don't Have to Go -- and Don't Go Back!
Arthur Christopher Schaper November 18, 2013 at 05:04 PM
Laura: I met one woman and her daughter last year. She got sober from drugs -- she WAS going to AA, then she read something -- don't know what -- and she quit right away: "AA is a cult!" ------------------------------------------- My mother was a "Stepper-Mom" -- her life was eat, sleep, drink Twelve Steps -- !!!!!!! That cult took her to some terrible places, and was very abusive.------------------------------------I am breaking away and seeing what freedom really is. Not in AA!
John White November 18, 2013 at 11:06 PM
Ahh, Laura. Ignorance? I simply made a comment that any rational person might make, seeing the vitriol and anger in some of your posts. My "beloved cult religion"? I have not indicated one word of support or praise for AA. Your only basis for attacking me is that I do not slavishly swallow the kool-aid you are selling. Seems to me that you have your own little "cult" going here. By the way, the "likes" of me are very glad to hear that you feel you speak for "everybody". I personally only claim to speak for myself. May you someday find peace.
Laura Tompkins November 19, 2013 at 02:17 AM
You have overdosed on the kool-aid. You might wanna get that checked.
John White November 19, 2013 at 08:35 AM
Thanks for your concern.
Laura Tompkins November 19, 2013 at 09:47 AM
ACS - Alwats nice to hear from you. Always nice also to hear of another empowered person getting free of the cult. xo
Arthur Christopher Schaper December 01, 2013 at 07:51 PM
Just came back from Thanksgiving weekend in Oregon. AA and Al-Anon were advertising on the radio. They must be desperate to keep people coming back! http://errorsofaa.blogspot.com/2013/12/aa-advertising-in-oregon.html People are learning to stay away from AA!
Laura Tompkins December 02, 2013 at 01:17 AM
Hmmmm. Promotion rather than attraction.
Arthur Christopher Schaper December 02, 2013 at 07:20 PM
AA is an evil cult. I want to stop this terrible cult as much as possible.
Arthur Christopher Schaper December 05, 2013 at 01:40 PM
I spoke with a friend of mine about the AA cult. He was not afraid to say the obvious: demonic! AA is evil. I am glad that I can tell as many as are suffering out there that you do not need twelve steps to get sober. Just two: Believe on Jesus Christ --- and receive from Him all fullness.


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