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TJ Hand May 11, 2013 at 08:25 pm
Coyote? They have no where to go for food or water. Lack of rain and runoff doesn't pool any where,…Read More it mostly is all diverted to storm drains.. I remember as a kid the lake at the top of Bienvenida which has long sinced been filled and devloped. They are harmless just Yell at them and they will run off.
Susan Tellem May 9, 2013 at 11:57 pm
You live in Coyote territory. Some people put food out for their pets - that is a bad idea. Cats…Read More should never be allowed to roam and dogs should be locked up if they are coyote snack size.
Matthew Sanderson (Editor) April 19, 2013 at 05:35 pm
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Matthew Sanderson (Editor) April 18, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Apparently a Manhattan Beach Police Department detective thinks these bank robberies are linked. If…Read More so, take note of the surveillance photos here: http://manhattanbeach.patch.com/articles/suspected-mb-bank-robber-strikes-again
Victoria Ordin April 6, 2013 at 06:18 pm
Too funny! My childhood best friend lived on Rivas. I had no idea anything up there was in the 12mm…Read More range. I thought that was reserved for Riviera Country Club area or Mandeville Canyon. Wow. Just wow!
I didn't even know she moved to the Palisades.
Ritchie Saunders April 3, 2013 at 04:23 pm
PLUS SLOW DOWN!!!! 35 ON SUNSET.....NO ONE IS EVEN CLOSE!
Laura Tompkins March 27, 2013 at 01:33 pm
It is annoying when people are selfish parkers, but it's not worth going to jail over. Dude, chill.
nonoise May 4, 2013 at 11:31 am
One law LAPD refuses to enforce is Penal Code 415 and LA municipal Code Chapter 11, Article 5,…Read More Section 115.02b. Churches should not be "exempt" from the law. Churches should not be allowed to be as loud and noisy as they want. No one person organization is or should be "above the law".
Elle Em May 4, 2013 at 02:07 am
I’d like to see that those taught to be responsible enough can hike their dogs to Skull Rock.…Read More It’s more regulation, study, money, time, jurisdiction agreements, etc. But if all that can be covered, it just might work.
The goal is to prevent dogs from causing problems while allowing them a little extra hiking room.
A first part could be education for the owners. Ideas include learning about the results of not picking up after dogs (disease, parasite spread), poorly mannered dogs (bites, and fear, annoyance, anger in others), general safety about rattlers, ticks, and poison ivy, leash law, penalties for non-compliance not only for themselves but for everyone else, etc.
Second part could be education for the dogs. Minimum could be the AKC CGC test, but that might not be enough. Extra criteria could be if they are okay while a mountain bike or horse surprises them in close quarters? Keep calm if a hiker wants to pet them? Do a sit stay from the end of their leash in, say, two seconds if there’s suddenly a rattler? It doesn’t have to be real easy, for these dogs are going to have very special privileges.
Those finishing both parts satisfactorily could be given a special permit, maybe a card and special bright dog tag. Hikers would know from the tag that these dogs and owners are specially trained to be there and to avoid problems. It might create a community that is motivated to keep it nice for everyone and the Palisades will have more well behaved dogs.
Elle Em May 4, 2013 at 01:08 am
"THIS story is & was to be about Temescal Canyon and following the rules of the park.…Read More "
But the story says specifically that the rules about dogs are being broken. That is a very important part of the story. As these remarks show, there are other sides to the story, right or wrong, that won't stay unsaid.
Being told to leave the U.S. because people here don’t seem as responsible for their dogs as they often are in other countries is not helpful. It’s a fact. I have actually been asked by foreign dog owners about this difference and surely it is not unpatriotic to look at ideas that seem better than the status quo. This country was built on that.
Another option besides "Love it or leave it" is to "fix it or tolerate it”. I have no idea why that keeps getting left out. I'm sure most everyone supports that you want to hike locally without running into problems of any kind. I'm also sure that most everyone supports local hiking with their dogs if it could be done without causing any problems of any kind. Sounds like a pretty good goal to me, albeit a tough one. I fear it will practically take a major societal change to accomplish it.
Telling dog owners to go to Runyon canyon is old, but those saying it seem to rarely consider that it's just as practical for Palisadian people to go hiking out there as for Palisadian dog owners to take their dogs there. But I have never heard of a dog owner ever suggesting that hikers go elsewhere.
Elle Em May 2, 2013 at 07:35 pm
Take a good look at how other owners let their dogs behave in public and you'll find it's often…Read More pretty shameful. We will not be granted more privileges until a lot more owners step up to the responsibility. I've seen this been improving over recent years so we see more restaurants allowing them on patios, etc. But we dog owners all still have a long long way to go to prove ourselves that we are not a liability to the general public.
There's a lot we can do to improve the situation. Each and every owner must decide how they can be more responsible for the greater good of our dogs. It has to be done more and more and more if we're going to make dents in dog prohibitions.
The #1 skill for a dog in public is an immediate and solid sit or down stay, on and off leash, from a few feet away or longer, even while being patted by strangers and small children. When you are in obvious and full control, it can do a lot to alleviate a frightened or annoyed person. Makes your own life easier too. It's really really hard for a dog doing a steady sit or down stay to even seem to cause a problem. Teach your dog to stay close to you. Pick up after them every single time and take it with you. (Whoever's leaving their poop bags in my shrubs can stop now!). This all applies to trails too.
Please note that coyotes can catch distemper and parvo from dog feces and urine. It's the least we can do for them to not make it so easy for them to catch these diseases on their own turf.
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