Divide Grows Over Task Force Charged With Finding Palisades Substation Site

Sharp differences between the Pacific Palisades Community Council and the Coalition of Palisadians to Keep Marquez Charter Safe are stalling efforts to locate a new site for the LADWP substation.

A task force charged with finding a new location for Los Angeles Department of Water and Power's controversial substation in Pacific Palisades is at the center of a growing dispute itself.

The task force, meeting for the first time Wednesday, was formed after strong opposition arose earlier this year, route: {:controller=>"articles", :action=>"show", :id=>"sparks-fly-at-pali-power-station-meeting"} --> to DWP's proposal to locate its second distributing station in Palisades on land it owns next to 

Larry Schwartz September 20, 2012 at 05:31 AM
I have never lived in a more dysfunctional community that Pacific Palisades. I have never gone to a schools with less comradery than Paul Revere and Palisades High School. The moral of my almost ten years in this now pretentious community is, overly guarded people just don't get along. People don't welcome you here unless you have something to offer them. Ins't that called using people? Hmmm, just my experience.. I remember the old palisades too (when I lived in old Malibu), before the housing prices got out of control, and this was when it was good, if not amazing.. Thank you Mr. Rupp and Stolper for providing me the foundation of honor and critical thinking I have taken with me for the rest of my life!
PaliMC September 20, 2012 at 02:47 PM
These Marquez residents all moved to the area after the DWP had acquired and held the site for over 20 years. It was no secret for all those years that someday the site would be used for a facility. The power station will benefit them. The only other location mapped out by DWP is behind Fire station 23 in the state park and just 50 yards from the Palisades Early Childood Learning Center and the Waldorf School. This "task force" wants the facility out of it present location and moved to the alternate location for the "safety of the Marquez school children" so they are ok endangering the lives of other kids, just not theirs?........chew on that.......
PaliMC September 20, 2012 at 02:56 PM
The task force should be reconstituted to truly represent the entire community since its recommendation will likely affect those areas not presently represented by the task force. I don't care what the City Attorney says, (that office doesn't contain the finest legal minds in the City). The task force needs to comply with the Brown Act and have open properly noticed meetings. Ms. kohnnis correct. Good for her for stepping up against this "mob."
Larry September 20, 2012 at 07:57 PM
How can anyone be against openiness and transparency in decisions made by the community? That is what the Brown Act is all about. Even if this "task force" is not required to follow the Brown Act, the Brown Act, also known as the Open Meeting law will allow (but not mandate) the largest amount of openiness, transparency, and participations by requiring: 1. 72 hour written notice. 2. Only agendized items can be discussed. 3. Requirement that members of the public be allowed to speak on any item agendized including a separte item addressing those not agendized. 4. Allow video and/or audio recording by anyone in attendence.
Larry September 20, 2012 at 08:01 PM
I would rather see land already owned by DWP used instead of paying considerably more or forcing the sell of different land through a threat of Eminent Domain. But I do respect those concerned about health affects of hi voltage power near a school and that should also be legimately discussed in the open under the rules of the Brown Act.
Elsa Solomon September 20, 2012 at 08:15 PM
I have more questions than comments. Who votes for the PPCC? Whom do they represent? (They sure seem friendly with the DWP.) How many people vote them in? More than the 500 residents who have signed the Marquez Coalition petition? Who gave them the legal right to thwart a grass roots effort to keep our community safe? If the PPCC refuses to let community members with opposing viewpoints speak at their meetings, I question the legitimacy of their claim to represent the Palisades. (PS- Pali MC isn't willing to stand by his or her statements and posts anonymously. Can those statements be trusted?)
Dr. Padawer September 21, 2012 at 04:07 AM
It seems to me like common sense and common decency to make sure that a fire hazard (power substation), surrounded by ignitable brush, is NOT located next to a large, impossible-to-evacuate-quickly elementary school.
Concerned Parent September 22, 2012 at 04:49 AM
As a new parent in the area I'm disturbed by how we are being represented here. Instead of labeling the parents who care about this as a MOB pls understand this entire situation will set precedent for ALL school children in this city. If DWP is allowed to build next to the school (even though it's against bldg codes for LAUSD as well as California State Board of Education) who is to say that this won't happen in the poorer areas where the parents don't know where/how/who to fight if this comes there way. This cannot happen next to ANY SCHOOL ANYWHERE. If we lose up here in the Palisades then children in the poorer areas of LAUSD are also screwed. Why everyone just thinks this is a NIMBY issue is crazy. We have to fight for all children everywhere. And I blame Barbara Kohn for making so much contention about this in our community. Instead of bringing us together to fight the fight she has pitted us against one another. Whereas I'd willingly help fight to keep our state park free from this as well - if you're going to pit children against coyotes... the coyotes will lose. But this doesn't have to be that way. We could work together to find a place that is more suitable. Instead she has gone out of her way to make sure that a line is drawn in the sand and that we all know which side she is on. What a horrible way to lead. Is this how she wants to be remembered??? I'd hope that she'd want to be remembered for how she brought the community together not pulled it apart.
PaliMC September 22, 2012 at 06:19 AM
The PPCC is established through the City Charter amendment as a local neighborhood body that is to represent the entire community. Each representative comes from a different neighborhood in PP to represent that neighborhoods interests. It follows that a task force for the community's search for a power station must also be a body representative of all neighborhoods in the community, not just Marquez. By the way, my kids went to Marquez and my niece and nephew presently attend school there. My name is Mitch Chupack.
PaliMC September 22, 2012 at 06:22 AM
Are you aware how many times the substation at Sunset and Via De La Paz has exploded? Are you aware how many people have become I'll who live (not just attend school) next to that station?
PaliMC September 22, 2012 at 06:25 AM
What building codes are you referring to?
Daniel Espinosa September 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM
This has nothing to do with the Brown Act. Quit dragging that red-herring through the comments. The DWP has owned that land for years, and everybody knew why. It's time to build the Station, before the existing Station fails due to extreme over-load. This is closer in nature to allowing you richer neighbor to build his McMansion on land he's owned for years; or are you against that, too.
Daniel Espinosa September 22, 2012 at 10:56 AM
It IS common sense not to build a fire-prone Station in the neighborhood, and all new DWP Stations are built to that standard. Do your homework before posting silly comments like that. Just ask DWP to show you other similar Stations; they are all over the City, and DWP would love to show you all of them. They are pretty, safe, and blend into the architectural style of the neighborhood.
Daniel Espinosa September 22, 2012 at 07:42 PM
Explosions? zero, actually; but this is the one substation in the area that becomes highly overloaded in the summer. But if we don't build another substation soon, it will fail catastrophically and it won't be a pretty sight! And it will be weeks to months before power gets restored to the neighborhood. This substation is so full of equipment trying to keep up with the neighborhood power usage that no more equipment can be shoehorned in. Wake up, neighbors! Time to reduce the loading on this station, for the health of the community.
Daniel Espinosa September 22, 2012 at 07:55 PM
Zero, actually. Some of the voltage regulating equipment has failed, occasionally, because the substation become well over 100% overloaded in the summer. So whatis YOUR solution? Stop using so much electricity in the summer? Well then start talking that up with the community and see how receptive they are! It will go over like a fart in polite company.
PaliMC September 22, 2012 at 10:16 PM
So if the current station, built decades ago has never had a problem and proces reliable except for the fact that it is overloaded, and no one is ill, surely the new facility will be safer because of its new design and engineering specs. I was at the meeting where DWP presented the proposal for the plant. I listened to a lot of parents concerned about the health and safety of their kids. But have they hired and engineer to investigate/review the design of this plant to determine if their safety concerns can be met? Inhave not heard that they have done this otherwise Indon't see why they are up in arms. No one at the meeting Who was against the plant offered any negative data about this plant design, just general facts about the rate of plant fires across the US. If the plant is built to prevent overload, then wouldnt therisk be sognificantly reduced, like the odds of a,devistating tsunami. Im sorry, but inwould loke someone to offer up facts why this plant will surely endanger my family.
Daniel Espinosa September 23, 2012 at 04:51 AM
There are places where electricity is made; they are called Power Plants. Then when the electricity is made it is sent to substations, called Distributing Stations, for delivery to neighborhoods. DWP is NOT building a Plant here. DWP is building a Station. Plants burn fuel to make electricity. They are dangerous places. I probably wouldn't live near one. Stations contain equipment to drop to voltage and send the electricity to your house. They use big transformers to do that (you've seen smaller transformers all over, they are the round cans on the telephone poles near your homes). Now here is the problem: Pacific Palisades has grown, and the old transformers are tired; they need help from a new Station (thinking of buying an electric car?). The existing station is too small and crowded with equipment; it hasn't room for more equipment. How safe are Stations? Safer than letting your child use a cell phone, safer than sitting too close to the TV, safer than using a lap-top computer on your lap (thinking of getting pregnant?) I'd live near a Station, the new ones don't even look like Stations. You are correct: these Stations are safe. They are not Plants. No electricity made here. That comes from Oregon (dams), Arizona (nuclear), Utah (coal), and near Long Beach (natural gas). And if a tsunami hits us, we're in big trouble, but it won't be because the Station melts down, like the Plant did in Japan.
Daniel Espinosa September 23, 2012 at 05:30 AM
What's this hogwash of having the City Council have LADWP fund an independent energy consultant work with the task force to re-examine the need for the second Distributing Station (DS-104)? Who thinks the LADWP has that kind of money to burn in this economy. Here is a simpler solution: have the task force (all of them, or a single representative) go read the meters on the equipment on a moderately warm day and find ONE that isn't pegged at over 100% right now. Pacific Palisades' needs won't be exceeding it's capacity within six years, like the article states, it's exceeding it now!


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