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Member of Alcoholics Anonymous Cult is Wrong...and He is Exposed as Brainwashed.

The Truth Regarding Alcoholics Anonymous


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OP ED: 16 October 2012

Laura Tompkins recently wrote an article for the Huffington Post, criticizing A.A. for being too negative:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-tompkins/alcoholics-anonymous_b_1383849.html


A "sober lawyer" named "Dick" attacked Laura and defended A.A. in his blog:
http://www.soberlawyer.com/2012/03/30/huff-post-therapist-doesnt-know-diddly-about-alcoholic-anonymous/

Dick's response is just loaded with A.A. slogans and misinformation. I want to respond to a few of his statements (in quotes):

"Ms. Tompkins ... offers some truly frightening advice as well — that some alcoholics may indeed be able to drink in safe moderation under the careful guidance of a — you guessed it — a certified addiction specialist such as herself."

That is true, whether Dick likes it or not. Many years ago, way back in 1980, the famous government think tank, the Rand Corporation, found that the successful people who had stopped self-destructive drinking were evenly split between total abstinence and tapering off into moderate, controlled, drinking. So total abstinence is not the only way. It all depends on the individual person.
When that Rand Corporation report was published, the A.A. true believers had a hissy-fit. They screamed that the Rand Corporation was killing alcoholics by saying that. Ann Landers indignantly printed a denunciation and said that it was irresponsible to release such information. As if alcoholics are too stupid to handle the truth. (Remember Jack Nicholson screaming, "The truth? You can't handle the truth!")


But in my experience, alcoholics are not a separate species of stupid sub-humans. They are as intelligent as the rest of the people, and they need more true information, not less. (What a vicious, insulting stereotype of alcoholics A.A. really spreads.) See:http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-bibliography.html#Rand_Corp1


"Ms. Tompkins is not an alcoholic and therefore has no idea what it's like to be one.Baloney. That is the typical A.A. arrogance where they think they are the only ones who know anything about alcohol abuse or addiction or recovery."


Now I am an alcoholic who has 12 years of sobriety — 12 years off of all alcohol, tobacco, and drugs — and I've been to a bunch of A.A. meetings, too, so even by Mr. Dick's standards, I know what I'm talking about. And I agree with Laura Tompkins. She is telling the truth.


"And like most critics of AA, she offers zero alternatives or "solutions" to what she perceives as the problem with AA — other than "don't go to AA. It sucks."

Actually, she did offer alternatives, and Dick just listed them in his complaint: SMART and Rational Recovery. Also, counseling and moderate, controlled, drinking.


Besides which, when criticizing crimes like fraud, quackery, and medical malpractice, it isn't necessary to offer alternatives to committing the crime. I don't have to offer an alternative to Tom Cruise's crazy idea of Scientology psychotherapy defending us from interplanetary cooties and the nasty Galactic Overlord Xenu, do I? And I don't have to offer an alternative to doing the practices of an old pro-Nazi cult religion from the nineteen-thirties. The answer is just stop doing it. You don't need a substitute cult to replace the one that you are dumping.


"First, there is no requirement in AA that you announce yourself as an alcoholic, although"

...False. I've seen it with my own eyes, plenty. When a newcomer speaks without saying, "My name is XXX and I'm an alcoholic", someone quickly jumps on his case and instructs him to introduce himself "properly". And the same thing happens at Narcotics Anonymous meetings if people fail to say, "...and I'm an addict."
Chelsea Carmona, a writer for the Washington Post, also recognized the requirement to identify oneself as an alcoholic or an addict, and she described the harmful effects of such self-labeling this way:
In my case, labeling myself an alcoholic paved the way for me to take on the "addict" persona, and I got much worse before I got better. After treatment, I traded in my college friends for the criminal ones I met in recovery, and in turn, I gained access to a variety of hard drugs.That is perhaps the most disheartening aspect of 12-step recovery and inpatient care: Because most of their AA colleagues are older, the adolescents I met in treatment found more drug connections, party buddies and rehab romances than they did mentors, counselors and long-term sober friends.== CHELSEA CARMONA | Special to The Washington Post, Published: July 16, 2012Chelsea Carmona is the West Coast regional manager of the Op-Ed Project, which works to bring underrepresented voices into opinion writing


The fact that "Dick" really liked the Hazelden cult religion training (A.A. Steps One through Five) does not make it a good course of treatment for alcohol addiction. The fact that confession makes him feel good and he thinks it's "amazing" is no justification for promoting quackery. I am reminded of the words of William James, on whose philosophy Bill Wilson claimed A.A. is based: **     'If merely "feeling good" could decide, drunkenness**     would be the supremely valid human experience.'**       ==  William James (1843—1916), U.S. psychologist,**        philosopher, in "The Varieties Of Religious**        Experience", lecture 1, "Religion and Neurology" (1902)

 

"The second paragraph is just pure inflammatory rhetoric. No one in the rooms would ever call anyone a dishonest and unfortunate idiot — unless they deserved it!"

Get real. A.A. sponsors do it to sponsees all of the time. Try reading my list of A.A. horror stories for many descriptions of even worse abuse:http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters121.html#horror_list
Just a few examples from that list:
I get my first sponsor (what am I thinking) and our first meeting of the minds, I get in her truck with her to run errands and talk. She starts screaming at me because she knew I took medication for some mental illnesses I have. She knows some oldtimer who had what I had was healed with the steps. Well, folks, that was the end of that relationship.The rest of the story is here.Well, need I say that it wasn't very long after my first relapse when I started observing strange behavior in members of the group. I noticed that people who once thought I was the coolest thing at any meeting wouldn't even come over and say hi anymore. And those who would acted very awkward in my presence. My sponsor began telling me that I wasn't ready to embrace the program yet because I still wanted to do it on my own. Then he started asking me for money.The rest of the story is here.After I gave birth I had severe postpartum depression. I had not healed from the birth and my sponsor told me not to take any medication. ... My sponsor had said that god would heal me and when god wanted me to sleep I would.The rest of the story is here. ANYTIME I don't follow a direction, no matter how small, I get yelled at and lectured and told repeatedly that I'm not willing and haven't had a real bottom. There are no choices, it's an illusion. It's really controlling.The rest of the story is here.An A.A. sponsor describes her sponsee as a retard who "has a serious spiritual disorder and also one inside his head".The rest of the story is here.That's the problem with having ignorant, untrained, unprincipled, uncertified sponsors acting as amateur doctors, amateur psychiatrists, and amateur priests.


"Ms. Tompkins should know that alcoholism is an incurable, progressive, terminal and ultimately fatal disease that lasts one's lifetime."

Wrong. That is mythology. There is no such "disease" as "alcoholism". The American Psychiatric Association recognizes alcohol abuse and alcohol dependence as mental illnesses, but the "spiritual disease" of "alcoholism" is just a myth. Addiction is a choice.
Furthermore, most people recover from alcohol abuse and addictions spontaneously, by themselves, without joining a cult religion.


The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism of the National Institutes of Health, performed the 2001-2002 National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions. For it, they interviewed over 43,000 people. Using the criteria for alcohol dependence found in the DSM-IV, they found:"About 75 percent of persons who recover from alcohol dependence do so without seeking any kind of help, including specialty alcohol (rehab) programs and AA. Only 13 percent of people with alcohol dependence ever receive specialty alcohol treatment."The Harvard Mental Health Letter, from the Harvard Medical School, reported:

On their own 

There is a high rate of recovery among alcoholics and addicts, treated and untreated. According to one estimate, heroin addicts break the habit in an average of 11 years. Another estimate is that at least 50% of alcoholics eventually free themselves although only 10% are ever treated. One recent study found that 80% of all alcoholics who recover for a year or more do so on their own, some after being unsuccessfully treated. When a group of these self-treated alcoholics was interviewed, 57% said they simply decided that alcohol was bad for them. Twenty-nine percent said health problems, frightening experiences, accidents, or blackouts persuaded them to quit. Others used such phrases as "Things were building up" or "I was sick and tired of it." Support from a husband or wife was important in sustaining the resolution.Treatment of Drug Abuse and Addiction — Part III, The Harvard Mental Health Letter, Volume 12, Number 4, October 1995, page 3. (See Aug. (Part I), Sept. (Part II), Oct. 1995 (Part III).)

"A true alcoholic can never, EVER, drink in moderation or safety. Those folks Ms. Tompkins refers to were never true alcoholics in the first place. Maybe "problem" drinkers, but not real alcoholics who are powerless over their consumption of the spirits."

Wrong. We just covered that. Half of the alcoholics who recover do it by tapering off into moderate, controlled, drinking. And yes, they are "real alcoholics". Mr. Dick is trying to use the Real Scotsman Logical Fallacy: "They aren't real alcoholics if they recover without A.A.... They aren't real alcoholics if they can eventually drink moderately." See: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-propaganda.html#real_Scotsman

"Ms. Tompkins ends her critique with a self-serving argument about confidentiality and sponsorship. Your sponsor is not a "complete stranger." For most AA's, their sponsor is one of the closest people in their lives and will surely respect the confidentiality."

That is wishful thinking. I have received many stories of blabbermouth sponsors, even sponsors who vindictively gossiped people's personal secrets all over town in revenge for someone quitting A.A. The list of A.A. horror stories contains many stories of egregious breaches of confidentiality like:
I walked away after members of this group went to friends of mine outside of A.A. and spread lies, ruined my reputation and cost me dear friendships.Look here for the rest of that story:http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters328.html#Michelle_C

She also had plenty to say about sexual abuse in A.A., which is a subject that Dick carefully avoided talking about.

And then there is the story of Sarah and her sponsor:... as soon as I told my sponsor to mind her own business and realize that just because I don't follow all of her advice doesn't mean I am relapsing... she took it upon herself when asked where I was at to tell everyone that I had indeed relapsed and that I'm very ill and that I'm beyond hope and help because I wouldn't do what the program required (demanded) of me... wow... talking trash because I wouldn't jump through your hoops? What sort of bs is that? And that follows their "traditions" how?  Look here for the rest of that story:http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters216.html#Sarah

And then there are stories like:I felt ashamed that my son's father had left me and was starting to question aa. I then slowly started going back. I got a new sponsor and after about 6 months found out that she was best friends with my son's father's new girlfriend. I was appalled she was defending him and telling him what was going on with me. I said it was a conflict of interest and fired her. I was pretty disgusted with aa at this point.  Look here for the rest of that story:http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters241.html#horror

"As the literature makes clear, you don't have to believe in God. The suggestion is to find a Higher Power other than yourself.A "Higher Power" who isn't "God"?"

Fat chance. That is just another bait-and-switch trick. First, as a recruiting trick, A.A. says that you don't have to believe anything, but then, later on, you do. Bill Wilson had a lot to say about how you had to "find God" or you would die:
Remember that we deal with alcohol — cunning, baffling, powerful! Without help it is too much for us. But there is One who has all power — that One is God. May you find Him now!The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William G. Wilson, Into Action, pages 58-59. When we became alcoholics, crushed by a self-imposed crisis we could not postpone or evade, we had to fearlessly face the proposition that either God is everything or else He is nothing. God either is, or He isn't. What was our choice to be?The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William G. Wilson, We Agnostics, Page 53.If he is sincerely interested and wants to see you again, ask him to read this book in the interval. After doing that, he must decide for himself whether he wants to go on. He should not be pushed or prodded by you, his wife, or his friends. If he is to find God, the desire must come from within.The Big Book, 3rd & 4th Editions, William G. Wilson, Working With Others, page 95.... we agnostics and atheists chose to believe that our human intelligence was the last word... Rather vain of us, wasn't it?      We, who have traveled this dubious path, beg you to lay aside prejudice, even against organized religion. ... People of faith have a logical idea of what life is all about.The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William G. Wilson, We Agnostics, page 49.I had been brought up to believe in God, but I know that until I found this A.A. program, I had never found or known faith in the reality of God, the reality of His power that is now with me in everything I do.The Big Book, 3rd Edition, The Housewife Who Drank At Home, page 341.To some people we need not, and probably should not emphasize the spiritual feature on our first approach. We might prejudice them. At the moment we are trying to put our lives in order. But this is not an end in itself. Our real purpose is to fit ourselves to be of maximum service to God and the people about us.The Big Book, 3rd & 4th editions, William G. Wilson, Into Action, pages 76-77.Bait and switch. Don't reveal the truth to the newcomers.

Finally, Wilson wrote that the goal of the Big Book was:Its main object is to enable you to find a Power greater than yourself which will solve your problem.   ...   [That] means, of course, that we are going to talk about God.The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William G. Wilson, We Agnostics, page 45.

"In my experience, no one is vilified in AA for not completing the steps."

Baloney. Bill Wilson himself sarcastically sneered at people who didn't do all of his Steps that he copied from Frank Buchman's Oxford Group cult religion:
We are sober and happy in our A.A. work. Things go well at home and office. We naturally congratulate ourselves on what later proves to be a far too easy and superficial point of view. We temporarily cease to grow because we feel satisfied that there is no need for all of A.A.'s Twelve Steps for us. We are doing fine with just a few of them. Maybe we are doing fine with only two of them, the First Step and that part of the Twelfth where we "carry the message." In A.A. slang, that blissful state is known as "two-stepping." And it can go on for years.       

The best-intentioned of us can fall for the "two-step" illusion. Sooner or later the pink cloud stage wears off and things go disappointingly dull. We begin to think that A.A. doesn't pay off after all. We become puzzled and discouraged.

Then perhaps life, as it has a way of doing, suddenly hands us a great big lump that we can't begin to swallow, let alone digest. We fail to get a worked-for promotion. We lose that good job. Maybe there are serious domestic or romantic difficulties, or perhaps that boy we thought God was looking after becomes a military casualty.       

What then? Have we alcoholics in A.A. got, or can we get, the resources to meet these calamities which come to so many?     ...    

Well, we surely have a chance if we switch from "two-stepping" to "twelve-stepping," if we are willing to receive that grace of God which can sustain and strengthen us in any catastrophe.Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, William G. Wilson, pages 112-113.And once again, Bill Wilson declares that you must find God or you will die.

"Of course, Alcoholics Anonymous has survived since 1935, and will continue to survive and grow, despite such criticisms from the likes of Ms. Tompkins."

That is the logical fallacy of asserting that something is good because it is old. The Jehovah's Witnesses, the Mormons, and the Ku Klux Klan have all survived even longer. Does that prove them right?

And A.A. is not growing, it is shrinking. The last several Triennial Surveys have revealed that the A.A. membership is declining. It's over. A.A. is just an old cult religion from the nineteen-thirties that has run its course. It will eventually join the "Shakers" and the "Dukhobors" and "Russellism" and other forgotten oddities of cult religions.

Look here for much more about the A.A. "growth rate", or rather, lack of it:
A spreadsheet from the Omaha, Nebraska Foxhall Group.The_Mathematics_of_Alcoholics_Anonymous_-_Part_1.pdf — Analysis of the mathematics of Alcoholics Anonymous, using A.A.'s own published documentsThe_Mathematics_of_Alcoholics_Anonymous_-_Part_2.pdf — Analysis of the mathematics of Alcoholics Anonymous, using A.A.'s own published documentsThe program speaks for itself.No, actually, guys like Dick speak for it.

And you know what Dick did not say? What the A.A. success rate really is. If we send 1,000 randomly-selected alcoholics to A.A., how many of them will be clean and sober a year later? How well does A.A. really work?

It turns out that A.A. works no better than no treatment or help at all.

What is the REAL A.A. success rate? Out of each 1000 newcomers to A.A., how many will pick up a one-year sobriety medallion a year later?Or even several years later? And how many will get their 2-year, and 5-year, and 10-year coins? Ever? How about 11 years and 21 years?

No qualifiers are allowed, like, "We will only count the people who worked the program right, or we will only count the people who really tried, and kept coming back." Everybody counts. No exceptions.

No excuses are allowed. When the doctor gives a patient penicillin, and it fails to cure the infection, the doctor doesn't get to say, "But he didn't work the program right. He didn't pray enough. He didn't surrender. He held something back in his Fifth Step." No excuses.

So what's the actual A.A. cure rate?  At best 5%...which is the rate of spontaneous remission: those who quit a behavior on their own.  AA is a pack of lies.

  

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Laura Tompkins January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-letters329.html#soberlawyer Here's the link. Enjoy kids.
Jane February 13, 2013 at 10:57 PM
Thank you for this article. It has put into words many of the feelings and suspisions I had already been thinking. At first I thought AA was great but fastforward a year later snd I have witnessed a very driven, confident man become a drone..yes he does not drink but he supresses every inate feeling and desire for the will of god. AA does not foster indepencence and rational thinking but actually dims the light of extremely gifted individuals. One is told to surrender...it is in gods hands. This creates a codependency to the program instead of alcohol~simply a trade of one addiction to another. How about promoting one's goodness instead of creating long lists of character defects... This individual was brought to a meeting by a coworker...HE now is made to believe he would die with out his AA sponser and there is no cure for him but AA? What a crock. He is a good man, a great father, a talented individual, and a loving husband...However all you know now is "HI, I'm xxx, and I'm an alcoholic." I feel the grasp his sponser and AA has on him is too strong and pushing him away from AA will cause resentments.
Laura Tompkins February 14, 2013 at 12:13 AM
I am so sorry to hear of your loss Jane. Your story is far too common. These scam artists are not safe. These steps are not safe. These mantras are not safe. Heck, you can't even admit to having a resentment or feeling anger ... Oh no, these are emotions the alcoholic cannot afford. These feelings are warning signs, not something to push aside. You can take care of you and you have every right to say what you want to say. It sounds to me as if you've been pushed aside for his program. Pushing back with respect and full expression of your feelings and wants is your prerogative. I am so sorry to hear of yet another loss like this. Below are a few websites you may find helpful. http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_a0.html http://nadaytona.org/ http://stinkin-thinkin.com/ http://peele.net/ http://cougarblogger.com/ Articles to get you started. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanton-peele/addiction-myths_b_1928239.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanton-peele/problems-with-aa_b_989832.html Thank you for commenting. You write well and may find writing is quite therapeutic. Also, if you know of a good non-step counselor, you may want to consider talking with someone. Your fears matter and are important for you to express.
Tommy February 25, 2013 at 07:10 PM
AA is a cult !! It took about two month for me to find this out They got more bull s--t than a used car sale person I have might of let my drinking get out of hand but to go to AA I would rather go back to a combat zone with no gun The old timer what a joke for people liars cheaters crook hood rat gang banger dope dealer's wow just what I need and for judges that make people go to AA they need to go see the real AA if one that does not see god in his life then way make people go I hope people find a better place then the so almighty AA We all still have a brain in are head for G-d sake's use it Your chance are just as good Thank's
Laura Tompkins February 25, 2013 at 08:27 PM
Hey Tommy! Thanks so much for commenting. You are smarter than the average bear. Careful around those AA disciples. They will tell you that you're best thinking got you to hit an alcoholic bottom and you cannot trust your own thinking and you need their wisdom for survival. What a crock of emotionally damaging crap! Actually your chances are better without the cult. Your chances are better for a HAPPY sobriety or moderation or whatever you choose. As you say, you have a brain to use, not to give away to an emotionally damaging cult. Peace out.
Tommy February 25, 2013 at 08:54 PM
Thank you Laura Tommy
Tommy February 25, 2013 at 09:15 PM
The other thing in AA one can learn how to cheat are system free food stamps lower electric Bills and gas bills now the good part who selling drugs out back from the doctor that just wrote. A Scrip for them people in AA could not think there way out of a wet paper bag Not unless it was a step that they work on I like going to there meeting just to make there life a hell 3/4 of them could not tell about AA I'm waiting for them to throw me out they can't stand when someone come in there that has is head on straight and a brain lol thank Laura tommy
Laura Tompkins February 25, 2013 at 11:38 PM
I would love to be a fly in the wall of you mocking them in a meeting. So funny. Most people in the cult could not recognize a person with their head on straight. They're too busy proving to themselves that their head is NOT on straight. They're also too busy sexually harassing others in the group and telling others how to live life. It's a cluster f*<k of malcontents and predators. The rest are brain dead. It's very sad such a wasteful use of their time and energy. I would not send an enemy to AA let alone a friend. Love that ... Laura tommy. I have the nickname of Lt. That's a new one. Love it. Thanks buddy.
Tommy February 26, 2013 at 10:00 PM
Hi LT Tommy so I went last night what a ball first this old timer what a hug I sad I don't hug other men sorry and I am not guy by far then when it came to my turn to say my name and tell them why I was there I said my name is tommy they stop the meeting They turned to me and said and way are you here because because why because I can be here that got them going that I did not tell that I was a alcoholic the meeting was ok I was good till the end when they started to hit on a new women that needed help that when I call a friend and they took her to a women shelter all the old timer had shelter last just for the night they are pigs the. After word they said why do you not tell us what you are I said here goes I am male 51 5/8 160 lbs brown hair father of son single USMC force recon 4 year 20 years world largest tool company and two x wife's Turn and left you are so neat to e mail Thak's LT sorry about the writing but doing this off my I phone I don't have a free phone like them LMAO
Laura Tompkins February 26, 2013 at 10:24 PM
No worries. I get the jest of it. I love it when disciples say, 'there is no requirement to announce to the room that you're an alcoholic/addict.' There most certainly is. They stop the meeting and call you on on your denial. They have no business calling anyone out on anything or giving advice to anyone for anything. They just act like they have some great purpose in life only due to their membership in this sick Programme. Please keep telling your stories here. I love to know you are out there bucking the system of sickness known as AA. I don't know how you can sit through their lies and drunkalogs but I love hearing about it. Keep coming back!
Tommy March 04, 2013 at 09:50 PM
Hi LT Tommy Well I been a few more times more I think these people have no live to live after being brain. Washed they have no life to live to go to a meeting two or three time a day you know what funny they talk about the same BS all the time Get over it be happy that your alive move on we all have learned are lesson in life talk soon Thank's LT
Arthur Christopher Schaper March 07, 2013 at 01:24 AM
Laura: Please read and share this post, which explodes the "myth" of "hitting bottom": http://pacificpalisades.patch.com/blog_posts/not-hitting-bottom-but-getting-to-the-bottom-of-things
Laura Tompkins March 08, 2013 at 04:54 AM
Thank you ACS! So true.
Arthur Christopher Schaper March 09, 2013 at 12:50 AM
I just got "attacked" but an AA member -- one who violated his anonymity, no less! http://pacificpalisades.patch.com/blog_posts/the-aa-drunk-a-logue-from-bill-w-that-we-needed-to-hear#comments_list I have learned that revelation of the truth goes through three stages 1. Opposition 2. Violent Attack 3. Granted Acceptance I believe that the AA cult is in Part 2, and 3 is coming around soon. Thanks for letting me share!
Patch Axiom March 14, 2013 at 09:02 AM
A basic outline about getting help in AA. 1. AA is free, take it or leave it. 2. It does not offer a cure, it does offer recovery. 3. Most individuals will need hundreds of meetings to realize that recovery is possible. 4. Honesty means truth in effort 5. Nothing we create is perfect 6. Not everyone you meet is capable of helping you. 7. Alcohol & Substance abuse begins & ends with dependancy. Support is key!
Laura Tompkins March 14, 2013 at 04:57 PM
http://cougarblogger.com/2013/02/27/alcoholics-anonymous-a-dangerous-cult-a-radio-interview-with-laura-tompkins-and-monica-richardson/ You are wrong on every one of these points. 12 step programs rob you of your soul and independent decision making. The only people who need hundreds of meetings are those who wish to being to a cult religion. 95% of people who go to one AA meeting are smart enough to never go back. AA is so far from perfect, it is criminal to your psyche and ability to accomplish anything beyone membership in this cult religion. It is NOT free. It costs you your life since you are brainwashed to believe that if you leave you will end up in three AND ONLY THREE places: JAIL, INSTITUTION, DEAD. Bullshit. I need not go on. Your stance is your brainwashing talking. Dependency on a substance is vastly different that abuse. Both are choices and not diseases. And lastly, NO ONE is a 12 step program is capable of helping anyone - they are as brainwashed as you are. Thank you for yet another example of the stupid and damaging indoctrination. Those who 12 step programs attract are incapable of being honest. If they had the ability to be honest, they would have run for the door after the first meeting! One more thing - your religious cult is NOT about recovery. It is about brainwashing you into thinking that membership in the group is the only thing that will help you and it is about you recruiting others to the cult. Read your own bible.
Patch Axiom March 14, 2013 at 09:25 PM
better to understand than to be understood many things in life are cult-like, including politics, religion, facebook etc..... why focus on what you dont like about something, find something about it that you like and experience it AA is the tip of the iceberg so to speak, everything recovery is not AA, try going back to school, enroll in addictions counseling college level courses. It will give you a better understanding of what we are up against as a society. Then read Dr. Albert Ellis on rational emotive therapy (RET). This is where rational recovery started. Also check out James Milan "The diseasing of America", Maslo, Stanton peele, Eric Ericson, just to name a few. Nobody finds all their answers in one place WE TRAVEL BETWEEN THE ETERNITIES OF YESTERDAY AND TOMORROW, two ideas of which we know very little, thats who we are!
Patch Axiom March 14, 2013 at 09:30 PM
A little more about DEPENDANCY & ABUSE one of the older models for addicion that we still use today: USE....DEPENDANCY.....ABUSE......WITHDRAWAL a four stage model
Laura Tompkins March 14, 2013 at 09:36 PM
Oy. Excuses. Nothing but excuses. Try reading about who I am. It might give you a better understanding of what lies you have bought. http://cougarblogger.com/2012/03/23/alcoholics-anonymous-negative-affirmations/ http://cougarblogger.com/2012/05/10/are-you-safe-from-sexual-predators-or-murderers-in-an-alcoholics-anonymous-meeting/ Good luck. Peace out.
Patch Axiom March 15, 2013 at 03:09 AM
Strange as this may seem to you, i understand your pain, you are not alone, if it was as simple as multiple choice, it would be none of the above.
Patch Axiom March 15, 2013 at 04:29 AM
Now that i have read your credentials, it has become clear to me why i found your, essays and commentaries so interesting. I have been privileged to work with a number of state licensed professionals in the field who had fallen from grace. In order to understand them it was necessary to go back to school and learn what they learned, read what they read etc... What a mind expanding experience this was for me, because i found out about paradigm and social phenomenon and the relationship between them. Nobody is really safe any where, its a NY thing, and now im right in the middle of where sandy hit. Life's a beach LOL
Laura Tompkins March 15, 2013 at 06:03 AM
I have not fallen from anything. I am exposing the truth of the dangers in a group that is widely and mistakenly believed to be safe. Just because New York may not be safe (I would rather be in Central Park alone after dark than in a 12 step meeting), has no bearing whatsoever on the truth of the cult Alcoholics Anonymous. The lame excuse that no one is safe anywhere is a bait and switch argument with no merit. First they tell you that AA is the only safe harbor, then they tell you (when the truth is revealed) that no where is safe. Lame excuse for a dangerous cult. Exposing the truth and helping people looking for secular, safe help is all the grace I need. In fact, I am one hell of a dancer and yogi. I am more graceful than most. I am sorry if your are suffering due to Super Storm Sandy. Blessings you and yours.
John Smith April 26, 2013 at 04:35 PM
How were the ideas that are in AA, especially the big book thought up? Was there any scientific research? was there any controlled studies with a full spectrum of heavy drinkers? Did some guy just make it up as he went along? Basically fiction literature with a lot of useless quotes and cliches? think about it. what section of the library are you in with recovery
Laura Tompkins April 26, 2013 at 05:00 PM
John - yes, some guy just made it up as he went along. Here's a link for starters. Enjoy. http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-rroot120.html
Laura Tompkins April 26, 2013 at 05:07 PM
Please keep the comments coming! The more comments, the more people are exposed to the truth and the more lives are spared this dangerous cult. Also, the more comments, the more articles I am asked to write. That's how it works.
John Smith April 26, 2013 at 08:48 PM
I've been to quite a few AA meetings and one thing that really got me confused and pissed was people would constantly say I was in "denial" and that if i disagree with their statement that it was the first mark of denial. total nonsense. they weren't saying I was in denial that I had a drinking problem because I was at AA. They were saying that I was in denial about who I was as a person. That basically because of my drinking every thought I had was false and that my ego magically became delusional so I would not see all the horrible wrongs Ive been committing and that I thought I was always right and everybody else had to be wrong. what a mess.
Laura Tompkins April 26, 2013 at 09:18 PM
John - I am so sorry. It's a no win situation. You KNOW you are not in denial about who you are because you can see the lies of AA. That is proof enough that you are smarter than the average bear. They will tell you that you cannot trust your own thinking. They will tell you that any deviation from their programme means certain death. They will fill you with guilt and shame ... As if you need more of that! They will tell you that you are like the actor who wants to run the entire show when in reality you are self-medicating for very specific reasons that can be reframed and new behaviors learned and practiced. It's all a horrible mind-killing fallacy. But John - they are the delusional ones who are in need of a guru (old-timers) and a pseudo family ... A 'family' that will drop you like a moldy rat as soon as you question any of their lies. They are jealous of your strength. Deep down they know they are living nothing but lies and they are envious of anyone who can live without their programme. They have also been brainwashed to believe that if they leave, they will end up in three and ONLY three places ... and that anyone that can get well without AA is either a 'dry drunk' or is not a 'real alcoholic.' You have every right to be angry. You can also feel pity for them and their need to belong being so strong that they have to believe all this rubbish for the rest of their lives. The longer they stay, the more sick they become.
Laura Tompkins April 26, 2013 at 09:23 PM
Also John - my email address is ldyluk47@yahoo.com Although I do not recommend any self help program above professional help, there are many secular alternatives. I have a list I can send to you via email if you are interested.
John Smith May 09, 2013 at 01:21 PM
the people at AA actually without hardly knowing me went foward to explain to me my life story. it was full of horrible and embarrassing character flaws and wrong doings. When I would say No, that's actually not me at all, they would say I must suffer from "terminal uniqueness." In their mind alcoholics were all the same horrible people. Exactly the same. Then they would ad my " best thinking got me here." So having any thought other than an AA cliche was "stinkin thinkin." what a crock.
Laura Tompkins May 14, 2013 at 09:48 PM
John - that's how they keep you 'coming back'. By making you feel as if all you are is character flaws and your only hope for survival is to agree with them and join the cult, they keep you in a constant state of dependence ... On them, because you can't be trusted to make decisions for yourself. It's a vicious circle. They do not know themselves outside of their cult and are completely brainwashed. They do NOT know you but claim you are just like them. You are obviously too smart for them. People - RUN away. FAR AWAY. Thanks for writing in again John.

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