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Neighbors Unite to Fight PaliHi Sound and Light Disturbances

Empty PaliHi Baseball Fields on 10/29/13 at 8:40 pm, with 50 high-intensity lights aglow.
Empty PaliHi Baseball Fields on 10/29/13 at 8:40 pm, with 50 high-intensity lights aglow.

The newly formed No Noise in Our Neighborhoods Coalition is currently considering approaches to curtailing the ever-expanding negative environmental, social and financial impacts related to the expanded use of Palisades Charter High School facilities, particularly it's rental to outside entities, enlarged marching band and new aquatics center.

 

Despite a recent meeting between PaliHi administrators, a mediator, residents and a representative from CD11, organizers say that PaliHi administrators have not implemented meaningful, measurable improvements in their sound and light management system. Their commitment to making changes is being questioned.

 

The No Noise in Our Neighborhoods Coalition intends to explore all legal means in it’s attempt to restore tranquility to Pacific Palisades neighborhoods. Their primary and long-term goal is to reach formal agreements with PahiHi that will commit PaliHi to managing their facilities in a manner that will restore and maintain the historic tranquility that has exemplified life in Palisades neighborhoods. 

 

The group’s immediate goal is to stop the loud drumming, which regularly takes place from 2:30 to 5:30 each weekday afternoon, and sometimes on Saturdays. It’s booming, penetrating sound echoes loudly throughout the community’s many neighborhoods, canyons, mountains and The Commercial Village.

Andrew Ge February 26, 2014 at 12:48 PM
"Think Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, Emolliated Buddhist Monks, Pussy Riot in Russia, the struggle for Gay Freedom, and many US Supreme Court decisions." Music programs and students HAVE been a minority fighting to survive against things like oppressive neighbors and school budget cuts. Despite what you may think, being inconvenienced with a bit of noise is NOT oppression, and for you to allude yourself to great progressive leaders like MLK is appalling. For one thing, you cannot consider yourself an oppressed minority when the sound is non-discriminatory and isn't targeted towards any person or group of people. If we're talking analogies, if this were the case of "the struggle for Gay Freedom", you would represent the Westboro Baptist Church, who claim to be a "minority" because they hold a radically oppressive view against homosexuality that's not accepted by the general majority. If this was the civil rights movement, you would be the KKK. Being a minority isn't simply based on numbers; it is based on who is really being oppressed. You are not a minority if you are trying to oppress others for the sake of "convenience". The reason why there are so many people that are so vocal on this issue is because we have to fight on behalf of this student minority for their right to exist and make music in an educational environment, in spite of those trying to silence and eliminate them.
Staci Bigelow Mitchel February 26, 2014 at 04:43 PM
Before I had children, I noticed my mother still supported my high school financially even though my brother and I had graduated years ago. She said the high school is the future of our community. We want the students to become taxpayers and clients of our local economy. The benefits of a high achieving high school and after school programs like marching band and swimming is undeniable. It makes for a strong community. The growth of Pali High is a wonderful sign of a strong community. This definitely is good for our local economy, including the prices of our homes. I applaud our high school teachers and administrators for the efforts to improve Pali High. In the end, we all benefit. I have two children who play in the marching band. The qualities they have learned from participation will last them a lifetime. I am so grateful that music is so amazing at Pali High. When I am walking around the hills of Pali High (also my neighborhood), I am thrilled when I hear our children playing music.
Mary February 26, 2014 at 08:37 PM
Congratulations Sonali. You are the EXACT reason these high school programs need to continue. Thank you for adding your voice to the discussion. As far as your question to Pacpalcal Observer re "what does he/she want?" He/she won't answer, I've asked twice. To quote one familiar with oddball people, "me think he/she doth protest too much." So, play loud, play strong. You have (most) of the Pac Pal community behind you.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer February 27, 2014 at 02:29 AM
3NC recently posted OUR GOALS two times, in simple terms: 1:A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION OF THE NOISE EMANATING FROM PALIHI THAT IS ENTERING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. We also have stated two times that THIS REDUCTION IS NOW HAPPENING, IN SMALL STEPS. The 3NC wishes to think positively, even though we understand the challenges ahead in 2: ARRIVING AT A FAIR, BALANCED, LASTING AGREEMENT ON SOUND LIMITS AT PALIHI will take much work and compromise by both interest groups. 3:WE ALSO THANKED PRINCIPLE MAGEE AND FACILITES DIRECTIOR DAVID RICCARDI FOR THEIR NOISE CALMING EFFORTS, AND TOLD THEM “YOU ROCK!”
The Pacpalcalusa Observer February 27, 2014 at 02:50 AM
Jeff B, Personally, I am not at all concerned about property values. I'm single, retired an plan to stay here, the place that I was born, until I die, which is probably much less than decades away. Moving somewhere else is not an emotional or financial option for me. It would be best if parts of the band moved away. Thinking that I might be forced to leave because of extracurricular activities at a local high school band makes me quite upset and angry, actually.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer February 27, 2014 at 09:07 AM
I remember the times when it was seniors as well as children (those humans on both ends of their lifespans) that were given special consideration and respect. Now its just children and their supporters, it's seems.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer February 27, 2014 at 11:31 AM
MANY THANKS! to all who have expressed their ideas and opinions in this TOWN SQUARE conversation about neighbor's concern's re. PaiiHi generated noise in their surrounding neighborhoods, and to those who have read them! It's been quite a meeting, and lot's of powerful thoughts were shared in a very civil way. We ALL must support and empathize with the positions of all PaliHi board members and administrators, must face similar "enthusiastic" responses when attempt to make campus management changes that are not "PaliHi Centric."
The Pacpalcalusa Observer February 27, 2014 at 11:36 AM
The Pacpalcalusa Observer February 27, 2014 at 08:31 am MANY THANKS! to all who have expressed their ideas and opinions in this TOWN SQUARE conversation about neighbor's concern's re. PaiiHi generated noise in their surrounding neighborhoods, and to those who have read them! It's been quite a meeting, and lot's of powerful thoughts were shared in a very civil way. We ALL must support and empathize with the positions of all PaliHi board members and administrators, who must face similar "enthusiastic" responses when they attempt to make campus management changes that are not "PaliHi Centric."
The Pacpalcalusa Observer February 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM
Who is going to act as our "Abraham Lincoln" in this issue?
The Pacpalcalusa Observer February 28, 2014 at 04:43 AM
Formal PaliHi agreement to meaningfully reduce the increasing amount of PaliNoise generated by it's expanding Marching Band will quickly restore the fair market values of hundreds of homes that surround the campus, according to local realtors.
Sonali Bargotra February 28, 2014 at 03:12 PM
We have the ability and mind power to choose who we give our respect to. And we won't mindlessly give it to those whose only claim to it is their age especially when they've screamed at us and called us name. Very respectful don't you think?
The Pacpalcalusa Observer March 01, 2014 at 04:27 PM
Respect Begets Respect Noise Begets Noise
Sonali Bargotra March 01, 2014 at 08:09 PM
Respect is earned, and not by those who act in that way. I don't give respect to strangers who treat me that way without direct provocation. The drumline's goal, despite what you think, isn't to harass you. We aren't consciously trying to disrupt neighbors. The screaming and maltreatment, however, was a conscious decision. That wasn't "noise", not that much at least, it was pure rudeness and disrespect. You've told us you want less noise. We need you to tell us what you want us to do, since we aren't doing enough for you.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer March 01, 2014 at 08:19 PM
What we want It is very clear and simple…tune the noise/music/commotion/intrusions that teenagers and their supervisors disseminate into our formally peaceful neighborhoods……..please.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer March 01, 2014 at 08:20 PM
Think outside YOUR BOX!!! PLEASE!!!
The Pacpalcalusa Observer March 01, 2014 at 08:34 PM
FYI, 3NC is attempting to PRESERVE OUR HISTORIC TRANQUILITY in our neighborhoods. It"s a DO-OR-DIE-PERIOD in Palisades history. IF PaliHi's increasing disruptive behavior is accepted as the New Norm, tranquility in the core of our community is doomed. Unmitigated disruption generated by PaliHi activities seems ro be becoming be our community's new permanent norm. Now is the time to stop this invasion.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer March 01, 2014 at 10:10 PM
All of the Pacpalcalusa Community wishes you the best, i personally and sincerely believe. I know that, in my life, I've found that insight to solutions to "my problems" can be obtained from both internal as well as external sources of wisdom.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer March 01, 2014 at 10:12 PM
Respect is assumed, unless it is proven not to be earned, IMHO.
terri-rae elmer` March 01, 2014 at 10:17 PM
and you have earned absolutely no respect from absolutely anybody.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer March 01, 2014 at 10:52 PM
Your contention that "absolutely everybody" feels no respect for a certain position exemplifies an inability to debate in a democrtic, respectful manner, and undermines your argument. Keep studying, please.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer March 01, 2014 at 11:17 PM
Hi Sonali, I hope that you will please copy, paste and then read the link below carefully. I believe that you will find it useful if you intend to remain living here in the USofA, a resident in Los Angeles or a visitor or PacPalCal community member. Keep studying, for everyone's sake. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CEMQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lapdonline.org%2Fget_informed%2Fpdf_view%2F38120&ei=0a4SU6zuCYLcoAT7k4CYDg&usg=AFQjCNEiykFloNMPhwTM_FCJoEVg1zXbRw&sig2=t8NoFUY4vfKM_720V-otjw&bvm=bv.62286460,d.cGU
Mary March 02, 2014 at 11:39 AM
Hamlet: "Madam how do you like this play?" Queen Gertrude: "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." (Aren't there laws about beating dead horses? Can anyone channel up John Wayne?)
Mary March 02, 2014 at 11:48 AM
P.S. Respect is earned not assumed.
Sonali Bargotra March 03, 2014 at 01:07 AM
Yeah yeah , we know you want less noise, but HOW do you want us to do that? We've done what we could. And I'm well aware of your rights to protest, you insulting my intelligence is really not appreciated, it doesn't respond to any of the questions/points that I've made. You can't go around preaching about respectful democratic debates when you sit there and insult the intelligent of students (me not being the only one) just because they are young and disagree with your view point. I have the right to protest your view on this topic as well so for everyones sake, keep studying.
Richard Koffler March 28, 2014 at 07:37 PM
Sonali Bargotra says " Why don't you tell us what you want us to do, since cutting back rehearsal time and playing as far away on campus from the houses as we can get hasn't satisfied you." "We need you to tell us what you want us to do, since we aren't doing enough for you." "We've done what we could." You have **not** moved the daily, hours-long, loud and incessant marching-band rehearsals far away from campus. It's exactly on campus on Temescal, emitting noise directly onto the homes on Temescal, Haverford, Radcliffe, etc. My suggestion is that you move them in middle of the campus among buildings that will echo the noise back onto the band and not onto the neighborhood. Or put them in the gym and give them ear protection. Or take them to the end of the football field. But to say that you have done everything you can does not seem true; you might have done everything that is comfortable for you.
terri-rae elmer` March 28, 2014 at 08:03 PM
maybe YOU should move, since the high school probably will NOT.
Sonali Bargotra April 02, 2014 at 07:13 PM
We have, your inability to notice and acknowledge that is not our fault. We would love to be in the gym (and we do whenever we get the time because drumlins perform in gyms), but its mostly reserved for sports teams, we would love to be on the field, but thats also reserved for sports teams, and if we try in the middle of the campus teachers get upset for disrupting their after school classes. We have done everything we can, you're just unhappy with it because its not enough for YOU.
The Pacpalcalusa Observer April 02, 2014 at 07:36 PM
Get the message Sonali...your(pl) noise in not welcome anywhere (except maybe during mock battles on the football filed) and drumming has a low priory in the big scheme of why you are in high school Hit the books, not the drums, and get on with your life.
Hilary Rose April 03, 2014 at 12:26 AM
Pacpalcalusa Observer: Your increasingly nasty, sarcastic, mocking and racist comments directed at Sonali are disgusting and unconscionable. You are writing to a child, someone's daughter and you need to keep that in mind. Shame on you. Does no one monitor these comments? All of those directed at Sonali should be removed immediately.
Kathy Pulfer Wishard April 03, 2014 at 04:05 PM
I was born and raised in Pacific Palisades. My family has lived there for over 65 years. I am saddened by what the Palisades has become. It is not the same place I grew up in. The town used to be comprised mostly of families with working parents who were not considered wealthy, although it has always been an upper middle class area. People tended to live there for the location, strong sense of community, great schools and because there was just no better place to raise a family. Over the years, the make up of the community has changed drastically. For the most part, the "new" residents of the Palisades are much more concerned with property values and status. This issue with the noise created by the high school is a perfect example of the change in attitude and priorities of these "new" residents. I would be willing to bet that those complaining are not longtime residents of the Palisades. The high school was there first and if you don't like it, sell your property, take your hundreds of thousands of dollars in increased property values from being lucky enough to buy in the Palisades and GET OUT!

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