Pali Council Discusses New Speed Signs
Community Council members question the lack of public input on and long-term effectiveness of electronic speed signs on Palisades Drive.
Pacific Palisades Community Council members on Thursday discussed new electronic signs on Palisades Drive that display a passing vehicle's speed. Meeting attendees questioned the lack of public input and information on the signs' design, location and long-term effectiveness.
"We had no input whatsoever," PPCC member Paul Glasgall said. "If we continue to work in darkness with no information, it is not a great outcome. ... We sure would like to know what's going on with these projects beforehand."
Members were unclear on the source of funding for the signs, which are fixtures that required workers to tear up the sidewalks flanked by Topanga State Park. PPCC President Janet Turner and Joaquin Macias, a representative from Los Angeles City Councilman Bill Rosendahl's office, said the signs and installation for the entire project along Sunset Boulevard cost $6 million.
Glasgall told Patch the signs are one mile north of Sunset Boulevard where several speed-induced, deadly car crashes have occurred.
Glasgall also noted his concern that drivers who purposely speed through the canyon "will now try to see how fast they can go and measure themselves" using the speed signs.
James Bailey, a resident who attended the PPCC meeting, lives in the Highlands area of the Palisades and told Patch he drives the road in question four times a day.
"It's one of the most dangerous roads I've ever driven," Bailey said. "The sign's a good idea, but over time I think people are going to acclimate to it and they're going to end up speeding just like they were before."
Editor's Note: The article was edited to clarify that the sign installation project cost $6 million for the entire project on Sunset, not just the Palisades Drive portion.
Ben Dover
12:21 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Forget the effectiveness of the signs, did anyone else choke when they read the price tag? $6,000,000.00 dollars for 2 radar speed signs??? There simply is no limit to the spending excess when its the taxpayer's money....
Joe Taglieri
6:12 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Sorry for the confusion, I misunderstood that during the meeting they were referring to the cost of an entire project on sections of street improvements on Sunset Boulevard and adjacent roads.
Tom Doyle
1:26 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I agree with James Bailey, one of the most dangerous stretches of road, along with the flat upper stretch of Palisades Drive where cars consistently drive WAY beyond the speed limit (way beyond safe speed). I am ALL for anything that will help curb the speeding on this road. But, $6 million, I would think that would have funded a police person and car on that road full time for a NUMBER of YEARS and revenue from tickets would more than cover the cost of the officer in perpetuity.
Joe Taglieri
6:15 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
See my comment to Mr. Dover above.
Elaine Bauer
2:29 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
The process is obviously broken. Highlands residents spent months debating how a couple of Verizon towers would impact their surroundings. Who knew that this project was even going to happen and how much it was going to cost? Did the Coastal Commission approve it? A couple of years ago the quote for mobile speed check signs was around $30,000 each, but apparently only permitted in school zones, so not available for placement on Palisades Drive above the plaza area as was proposed at a President's Council meeting. Is it possible that the cost shown in the article includes the entire Sunset Blvd. signal light coordination project that is now tearing up our infastructure from PCH to downtown LA?
Joe Taglieri
6:14 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
See my comment to Mr. Dover above.
Linda Rubin
5:12 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
If the speed and license information aren't recorded, what's the point of these signs for anyone besides the solid citizens who are trying to control their (our) speed? For the money and ugly, I'd rather have some new camouflage cell towers. I still can't receive AT&T calls at home.
A. Lewis
8:15 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I am disappointed at the negativity in these comments. As a Highlands resident since 1984, I was thrilled to see the signs installed on Palisades Dr. on a very dangerous stretch of the road. Studies have shown that such signs are effective at reducing speeds, and given that the LAPD traffic division is so under-manned, I appreciate the city installing the signs.
I think Joe's comments explain that the price tag includes more than just the signs on Palisades Dr.
Kudos to whomever is responsible for getting the signs installed!
CK
9:53 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I can't begin to express just how irritated I am with the lack of forethought exercised in this process. I routinely get buzzed by cars going at least 20 -30 miles faster than I am driving, flying up Palisades Drive. If anyone thinks that an electronic sign clocking racing cars is going to slow many of these thrill seekers down, rather than giving them a speedway with an incentive to put pedal to the metal to maximize their "speed score", then I invite them to share the raceway as the checkered flags fly.
I fear the roadside memorials will multiply this summer as the signs attract racers from all over the city. What a draw for the speeding motorcycles using the s-curves on Sunset to head up the street to try their luck on "The Drive".
I do hope that someone with the ability to think this through properly will take the time to consider the ramifications of turning Palisades Drive into a clocked racetrack before the switch gets flipped on. If not, I will think twice each time I put my two kids in the back of my van and tempt fate by heading off down the hill.
Eric Bollens
3:55 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Sorry to say it, but as someone who very much use to be one of those racers, it's a clocked racetrack regardless of the speed limit signs. We timed ourselves from the light at the bottom of the hill to the Bel Air Patrol spot at the entrance to the residential portion. We were constantly checking our speedometer to see just how fast we could push it and when we knew we needed to slow up a bit to clear a corner. I've long changed my ways and now try through education and enforcement to help deter such behavior. However, I still know how these people think. They're not going to take the time to look at the signs - they're past them too quickly. If you want to solve this PART of the problem, you need greater police presence.
However, they're NOT the only part of the problem. Set up a lawn chair in the canyon and watch the speeders go by. Most are not adrenaline-pumped teens in excess of 100 MPH. No, they're your neighbors speeding up the road at 60 to 70 MPH. Do your neighbors realize how fast they're going? If they do, then they aren't much better than the kids. If they don't, then the signs will have an effect.
JT
8:39 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Speeding----This is happening on all the canyon roads. Unfortunately, the highest complaints are right here.
This is only one of the solutions to slow down the drivers. There are other methods to slow down the speeders. First, periodic law enforcement is still needed. Second, education or literature with photos & video via email showing the results of an accident on this street. This is really important with the parents and children. Most of the times, the children emulate the parent's behavior. Beware they are watching and listening while you are driving. Majority of the serious deadly crashes are happening with our own children. Third, adding guard rails. Fourth, lowering the speed limits. Fifth, adding speed bumps. However, all of this cost the taxpayers.
So the real solution is people abide the posted speed limit. Otherwise, we all pay for the violations, law enforcements, signs, etc. and worst of all, our children's deaths!!!
Eric Bollens
3:44 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
While I agree about the ineffectiveness of speed signs in deterring racers and adrenaline junkies, the reality of the matter is that they are not the only people speeding on Palisades Drive. In fact, this group is definitely the minority.
The majority of speeders drive this stretch of the canyon in the 60 to 70 MPH range, definitely not racers yet still very unsafe. Why do they do it? Some probably think, just like the racers, that they can handle the speed, but many do it inadvertently without thinking. For the former case, they already know how fast they're going - the signs won't incentivize them to go faster or they would already be doing it. For the latter, though, the signs serve as a clear reminder of how fast they're going, one that may actually get them to slow down.
Ultimately, if you want to stop those speeding most excessively, greater police presence is needed. However, the signs may have an effect in reaching the majority of speeders, especially if coupled with continuing police presence. The ultimate goal here is to save lives, and three years ago, when this community convened a meeting on the issue, this was one of the solutions that was requested - it took the city some time to do it, but they should be appreciated for doing it, not derided.
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